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Submitted by daniels on Fri, 01/30/2004 - 05:50

The "*nods in agreement*" comment at the bottom of this post is required reading. For all of you. Go Eike.

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Quick side note

Submitted by eike hein on Fri, 01/30/2004 - 14:58.

(A tad off-topic, but I feel the urge: My name is actually 'Eike' (not Elke), it was not a typo. Eye-wink

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Eek!

Submitted by daniels on Sat, 01/31/2004 - 13:09.

Ey, sorry dude. Completely unintentional, and fixed now. Mea culpa. :\

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Just for our record...

Submitted by datschge on Fri, 01/30/2004 - 13:19.

Care to clarify what you did and do intend to happen at all?


All I got to know through your comments is

  • that you are emotional about the issue and think it's depressing (neither one I'm actually interested in to know),
  • that you think that "everyone" at fd.o is from GNOME (which certainly isn't true, but I guess you want this to be this way and thus prefer to spread this FUD?),
  • that you state fd.o is creating standards by referring to their widely usage, contradicting the fact that the fd.o platform contains tools which are not widely used at all as of now (and with the way this issue is tackled at the moment this might not change at all),
  • that following this up you apparently don't care to clarify what the fd.o platform actually is about (What makes intltool and scrollkeeper qualify as part of the fd.o platform?),
  • that while you keep talking about the lack of contributions from KDE individuals you so far completely ignored what could be invited to fd.o right away (QtGK, KIO Fuse Gatway, the GTK-Qt Theme Engine are clear candidate for fd.o for which respective counterpart could be created to make the solutions work both ways, in a true supporting "interoperability and shared technology" fashion even, the way everyone here initially thought fd.o is all about).
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no useful subject

Submitted by daniels on Sat, 01/31/2004 - 13:02.

I'm not emotional about it, so please stop trying to troll me with that word all the time. I do think it's depressing, yah. That doesn't make me some unstable 'emotional' maniac whose thinking is clearly not to be trusted.

As for the fd.o point - who's there from KDE? As I said before, Waldo's there in the core group, and that's it. Zack and Alex have been doing some binding work (though I don't know if Alex's work is hit-and-run, or not), and Scott has commit access to gstreamer, but I don't know how frequently he commits.

So we have one active KDE dev on the fd.o core group (as in, people who work on either core fd.o projects, or work on very general aspects of the site). Can you name more and prove me wrong?

The platform contains a lot of stuff that isn't standard yet, but a lot of stuff that either is, or only needs widespread deployment (in something like a platform, perhaps), to change this. If you have comments on the platform, again, please join the list and elaborate your specific concerns. It's not like I've decided everything and am ruling with ye olde iron fist, and am going to release tomorrow. Seriously, if you don't like the way it's going - help shape it! Make it better, don't just sit on the sidelines going 'boo hiss sucks'.

As for Navi's post, I seriously didn't see it - my list subscription was messed up for a while. I have to go over the posts I've missed and reply; thanks for this! scrollkeeper and intltool were only proposed; very few things are definite (xlibs, D-BUS, HAL).

And have you listened to a word I've said? I've been inviting anyone who will listen to fd.o, and I've been pimping it on the kde-debian list. Maybe I need to make myself really clear. Again.

GOT A PROJECT? THINK IT LOOKS COOL? DOES IT HAVE SOME SEMBLANCE OF PORTABILITY? COME OVER TO FD.O, I'M SERIOUS. EMAIL ME AN SSH KEY AND PREFERRED USERNAME, I'LL SET YOU UP WITH A PROJECT. PLEASE. REALLY.

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Other KDE devs

Submitted by krake on Sat, 01/31/2004 - 15:46.

So we have one active KDE dev on the fd.o core group (as in, people who work on either core fd.o projects, or work on very general aspects of the site). Can you name more and prove me wrong?

David Faure, mime-spec and I think icon-theme-spec
Fredrik Höglund, cursor spec

I also saw other devs in discussions about unifications of
- documentation (Cornelius Schumacher)
- xclipboard handling (IIRC Lubos Lunak)

I saw George Staikos post in one of the HAL discussion, I think Ellis Whitehead in a discussion about unified key bindings, etc

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Core stuff

Submitted by daniels on Sun, 02/01/2004 - 03:38.

OK, so I'll pay dfaure and maybe Fred. But I'm talking *actively* involved, all the time - not just a hit-and-run on a list discussion.

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You mean...

Submitted by datschge on Sun, 02/01/2004 - 20:28.

...like you do, not really looking into KDE and contributing there but only a hit-and-run on some discussion places basically complaining that others do the same on fd.o?

You really seem to have a gross misconception about how voluntary projects work.

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daniels's picture

You're misrepresenting me

Submitted by daniels on Sun, 02/01/2004 - 23:00.

Take a look back at when I talk about all the KDE developers involved in fd.o - there's quite the notable omission if I'm calling myself a 'KDE developer'.

I have commit privileges and the email address. That's about it. There are various reasons (most practical), but yeah - I'm not a KDE developer. It's been a long time since I've claimed to be. I just use the @k.o when posting to KDE lists, that's it; largely because I can then filter all the replies into +kde.

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datschge's picture

Err...

Submitted by datschge on Mon, 02/02/2004 - 01:16.

I know you are practically no KDE developer, you kind and style of outspoken comments make that abundantly clear. My point was that you are active at fd.o and KDE developers are active at KDE, and you come and bitch about KDE developers not being more involved in fd.o, and I say you in reverse are giving them enough reasons to bitch at you that you aren't more involved in KDE either.

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Please rewrite

Submitted by daniels on Mon, 02/02/2004 - 02:26.

Please rewrite your post, because I'm honestly not sure I understood half of it. But yes, there are people who are glad I'm not involved in KDE - more power to them. I do tend to polarise people sometimes. That happens. If you're going to let something I say on a list when I'm pissed off at 4am decide your entire opinion of me, then obviously you don't value me enough for it to be worth bothering with, anyway.

This isn't aimed at you specifically, just a general point.

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